[ it kind of speaks to livio in that way too, not that they're spoiled, but that they don't really know hardship and loss. and it wasn't a kind thing to say to grieving, hurting children. the fact that jonas has lived through vash's life and can still say things like 'we're not that kind of people, we'd never do that', means he's also like that. but that's good. he wants them to hold onto their innocence and their faith as long as they can. get to be real teenagers. he wants that for them. ]
[ so he isn't upset by how angry they were, or jonas being honest with him now. that's why he was fine with getting punched in the face, if ray wasn't a coward tch ok no i'm kidding this is a serious thread ]
Do you know why I said that, Jonas? I promise it wasn't just to be an asshole.
[ this is the funniest fucking meta of my life sipp and i'm so glad livio hasn't outright said he thinks that to these kids. it's fine though. he doesn't know these things, doesn't bother thinking about the fact there are people who are thinking they aren't actually severely damaged people who are only fracturing this much because it had taken time to build up again.
it would be nice to have some innocence left though. maybe he could appreciate the thought another time. ]
If you have a reason, I'll hear it. [ which isn't to say he'll agree with it. he'll just attempt to be more reasonable than the others who shouldn't have to rein in their emotions right now. ]
[ listen, trigun is a lot and the way trigun characters think is so different from everyone else. wolfwood's meta would be 5000000000% times worse and more ironic i assure you, livio is hilariously, the most gentle of them when it comes to things like this ]
[ he will never say these things, regardless ]
It's because Simon tricked, manipulated, and killed Fukuzawa. Something I couldn't just say in front of everyone.
[ he has a feeling jonas might suspect this, but i have been given the mod ok to reveal this ]
[ very funny for reasons i will not elaborate but i understand.
anyway. yeah. they did in fact suspect this, so he just kind of frowns instead. ]
...and yet you thought that we would be like him? [ it doesn't exactly change how they feel, but it does answer some things. ] Not that I blame you for keeping it secret to the public. So. Why? What the fuck was he thinking?
No, I didn't. [ he said "i'm not accusing tbd in any way and i really really really don't think they'd do this" and continued to say that to all of them, though he understands, especially in light of what they've been through this week, why they took it as an accusation. he tried to make it clear it was never about tbd, but his options were limited ]
Simon was never suspected for Fukuzawa's murder, because no one ever considered a teammate killing their own teammate. That was the only way I could even raise the possibility without breaking the rules. [ especially considering simon himself was one of the victims this week ] I really wasn't trying to hurt any of you.
Sorry. It's been...a really bad week, we're still trying to get it together after everything. Yesterday was really stressful for all three of us. So I get it. I'll try to explain it to them, too.
[ the rest is still a lot though. ]
Do you...how do you know that's what happened? Did Simon actually admit it?
Don't apologize. I just.... wanted you guys to know. Amelia and I both wanted to be open about it, but.... [ they couldn't be. also it would be mean ooc to eric that no one wanted to solve simon's murder. so he had to make an effort. but listen, no one in this game is a bigger simon anti than livio ]
No, we figured it out with help from the Erased, Ylfa, and Haru. He didn't say a thing, or change the way he acted. But we had to pretend we didn't know, because.... well, I was afraid he'd go after one of them, or Amelia, if he knew. [ a very real possibility that froggystyle would have been wiped out, or simon would have killed amelia to make sure no one could take him out without wiping justice. at least, in livio's mind ] It's been.... really hard for Amelia. She really believed in him.
...this is obviously a little callous but maybe it's better that he's gone then if thats the type of person he really turned out to be. Better to remove him from play before he could seriously hurt somebody else, or even another teammate. With just the two of you now, you and Amelia might be okay, but...I don't think I could blame her for being upset. It's disappointing to realize that someone you had a lot of faith in is actually a huge asshole.
I'm...thank you for mentioning it. I'll try to mention it to my team, too, to help calm things down.
I agree. [ he is suuuuuch a simon anti, and he is not at all bothered by jonas saying it. basically his thoughts. simon being removed from play before he could hurt someone, especially someone like amelia, ylfa, haru, or even any of tbd -- yeah. that is definitely better, in his opinion ]
Amelia's a very good person who puts her faith in other people. I just want her to be surrounded by good people who treat her just as well.
[ :c his little sis. ]
... Thank you, Jonas. I... I understand if they're still mad, but just let them know... if they ever want to talk or hit me or anything, I'm here. That goes for you too.
Yeah she is. Kind of sucks things have turned out the way they have for her, but hopefully...things haven't been too hard on her.
[ there's...something in jonas's expression that's a little confused for a few moments before it settles out to accepting. ]
Sure. I'll let them know, but I doubt they'll want to even do that. Hitting, I mean. Pretty sure we're all gonna need a few days to figure things out next.
... They've been hard. [ extremely hard, which is why he worries so much about her. he doesn't want to go into too many details, but, if tbd and amelia can be friends, that's the best he can hope for. his own feelings don't matter in this equation ]
I really don't mind. Sometimes it helps. [ this is probably 200% truer for trigun characters than anyone else, to find punching it out to be cathartic, sometimes. ]
That's understandable. Thank you for hearing me out.
Things have been hard on a lot of people. Best we can do is try to still help each other if we can. [ so. there's that. he likes amelia and he does worry about her sometimes because she truly does seem so cheerful still, but. you know.
he doesn't quite address the thing about punching though. instead, he goes quiet and seems to be thinking things over. ]
I don't need you to promise anything. [ like he said before, he is truly not asking for forgiveness for what he said in trial or anything like that ] I just wanted to apologize, and let you all to know the reason I said it.
[ that it had nothing to do with tbd, and everything to do with simon ]
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[ so he isn't upset by how angry they were, or jonas being honest with him now. that's why he was fine with getting punched in the face, if ray wasn't a coward tch ok no i'm kidding this is a serious thread ]
Do you know why I said that, Jonas? I promise it wasn't just to be an asshole.
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it would be nice to have some innocence left though. maybe he could appreciate the thought another time. ]
If you have a reason, I'll hear it. [ which isn't to say he'll agree with it. he'll just attempt to be more reasonable than the others who shouldn't have to rein in their emotions right now. ]
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[ he will never say these things, regardless ]
It's because Simon tricked, manipulated, and killed Fukuzawa. Something I couldn't just say in front of everyone.
[ he has a feeling jonas might suspect this, but i have been given the mod ok to reveal this ]
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anyway. yeah. they did in fact suspect this, so he just kind of frowns instead. ]
...and yet you thought that we would be like him? [ it doesn't exactly change how they feel, but it does answer some things. ] Not that I blame you for keeping it secret to the public. So. Why? What the fuck was he thinking?
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Simon was never suspected for Fukuzawa's murder, because no one ever considered a teammate killing their own teammate. That was the only way I could even raise the possibility without breaking the rules. [ especially considering simon himself was one of the victims this week ] I really wasn't trying to hurt any of you.
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Sorry. It's been...a really bad week, we're still trying to get it together after everything. Yesterday was really stressful for all three of us. So I get it. I'll try to explain it to them, too.
[ the rest is still a lot though. ]
Do you...how do you know that's what happened? Did Simon actually admit it?
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Don't apologize. I just.... wanted you guys to know. Amelia and I both wanted to be open about it, but.... [ they couldn't be. also it would be mean ooc to eric that no one wanted to solve simon's murder. so he had to make an effort. but listen, no one in this game is a bigger simon anti than livio ]
No, we figured it out with help from the Erased, Ylfa, and Haru. He didn't say a thing, or change the way he acted. But we had to pretend we didn't know, because.... well, I was afraid he'd go after one of them, or Amelia, if he knew. [ a very real possibility that froggystyle would have been wiped out, or simon would have killed amelia to make sure no one could take him out without wiping justice. at least, in livio's mind ] It's been.... really hard for Amelia. She really believed in him.
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...this is obviously a little callous but maybe it's better that he's gone then if thats the type of person he really turned out to be. Better to remove him from play before he could seriously hurt somebody else, or even another teammate. With just the two of you now, you and Amelia might be okay, but...I don't think I could blame her for being upset. It's disappointing to realize that someone you had a lot of faith in is actually a huge asshole.
I'm...thank you for mentioning it. I'll try to mention it to my team, too, to help calm things down.
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Amelia's a very good person who puts her faith in other people. I just want her to be surrounded by good people who treat her just as well.
[ :c his little sis. ]
... Thank you, Jonas. I... I understand if they're still mad, but just let them know... if they ever want to talk or hit me or anything, I'm here. That goes for you too.
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[ there's...something in jonas's expression that's a little confused for a few moments before it settles out to accepting. ]
Sure. I'll let them know, but I doubt they'll want to even do that. Hitting, I mean. Pretty sure we're all gonna need a few days to figure things out next.
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I really don't mind. Sometimes it helps. [ this is probably 200% truer for trigun characters than anyone else, to find punching it out to be cathartic, sometimes. ]
That's understandable. Thank you for hearing me out.
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he doesn't quite address the thing about punching though. instead, he goes quiet and seems to be thinking things over. ]
I can't promise anything. You know that, right?
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[ that it had nothing to do with tbd, and everything to do with simon ]
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I should...go back to them. Soon.
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[ unless jonas has anything else he wants to talk about, we can wrap here too! ]